Special Retirement & Roth
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Special Retirement & Roth
So... the scenerio I have in my brain right now for you Special Retirement folks.
Say you are hypothetically someone who has roughly 300k in your tsp.. and say 7-ish years to go until you hit minimum retirement of 50 years old and have at least 20+ years of covered service. (your own numbers and years left into this for your scenerio)
With the new TSP rule coming into place in less than 2 years that will allow you upon retirement to stipulate which TSP balance to draw from, it makes a lot of sense to now go 100% Roth TSP contributions if you can.
In this hypothetical scenerio... in 7 years @ 12% RoR, the subjects TSP Account is roughly valued at $930,000 ($718,000 traditional /$212,000 Roth).
At that point you are 50, can retire and elect to draw specificially/only from your traditional tsp balance of $718k.
You allow your Roth balance to grow an additional 9.5 years, unfettered @ (hopefully) 12% a year giving you a nice untaxable balance of $588,000 @ 59.5 years old.
Additionally say @ 50 you want to retire and start drawing $6,000 a month from your traditional balance of $718k. Well if you can maintain that 12% RoR, your balance (even with zero new monies going in and the 6k/month draw) will continue to grow and at 59.5 yo when you can dip into your roth unpenalized, your traditional balance will have grown to $870k.
Not to shabby for being retired for 9.5 years, all the while drawing your pension, SS supplement + an additional $72k a year from your tsp balance.
So.. that's the dream for those hypotheticals out there anyway!
Young and old LEOs, Firefighters, ATC's run your scenerios... if you have a decent traditional balance already and a few years left... maybe think about the 100% Roth option now.
Say you are hypothetically someone who has roughly 300k in your tsp.. and say 7-ish years to go until you hit minimum retirement of 50 years old and have at least 20+ years of covered service. (your own numbers and years left into this for your scenerio)
With the new TSP rule coming into place in less than 2 years that will allow you upon retirement to stipulate which TSP balance to draw from, it makes a lot of sense to now go 100% Roth TSP contributions if you can.
In this hypothetical scenerio... in 7 years @ 12% RoR, the subjects TSP Account is roughly valued at $930,000 ($718,000 traditional /$212,000 Roth).
At that point you are 50, can retire and elect to draw specificially/only from your traditional tsp balance of $718k.
You allow your Roth balance to grow an additional 9.5 years, unfettered @ (hopefully) 12% a year giving you a nice untaxable balance of $588,000 @ 59.5 years old.
Additionally say @ 50 you want to retire and start drawing $6,000 a month from your traditional balance of $718k. Well if you can maintain that 12% RoR, your balance (even with zero new monies going in and the 6k/month draw) will continue to grow and at 59.5 yo when you can dip into your roth unpenalized, your traditional balance will have grown to $870k.
Not to shabby for being retired for 9.5 years, all the while drawing your pension, SS supplement + an additional $72k a year from your tsp balance.
So.. that's the dream for those hypotheticals out there anyway!
Young and old LEOs, Firefighters, ATC's run your scenerios... if you have a decent traditional balance already and a few years left... maybe think about the 100% Roth option now.
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Looks like you've found the yellow brick road, good plan.
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What about your 5% match?mmmmmbeer wrote:So... the scenerio I have in my brain right now for you Special Retirement folks.
Say you are hypothetically someone who has roughly 300k in your tsp.. and say 7-ish years to go until you hit minimum retirement of 50 years old and have at least 20+ years of covered service. (your own numbers and years left into this for your scenerio)
With the new TSP rule coming into place in less than 2 years that will allow you upon retirement to stipulate which TSP balance to draw from, it makes a lot of sense to now go 100% Roth TSP contributions if you can.
In this hypothetical scenerio... in 7 years @ 12% RoR, the subjects TSP Account is roughly valued at $930,000 ($718,000 traditional /$212,000 Roth).
At that point you are 50, can retire and elect to draw specificially/only from your traditional tsp balance of $718k.
You allow your Roth balance to grow an additional 9.5 years, unfettered @ (hopefully) 12% a year giving you a nice untaxable balance of $588,000 @ 59.5 years old.
Additionally say @ 50 you want to retire and start drawing $6,000 a month from your traditional balance of $718k. Well if you can maintain that 12% RoR, your balance (even with zero new monies going in and the 6k/month draw) will continue to grow and at 59.5 yo when you can dip into your roth unpenalized, your traditional balance will have grown to $870k.
Not to shabby for being retired for 9.5 years, all the while drawing your pension, SS supplement + an additional $72k a year from your tsp balance.
So.. that's the dream for those hypotheticals out there anyway!
Young and old LEOs, Firefighters, ATC's run your scenerios... if you have a decent traditional balance already and a few years left... maybe think about the 100% Roth option now.
Re: Special Retirement & Roth
cswift01 wrote: What about your 5% match?
That always goes traditional and was counted in the figuring.
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Is the proposed change definitely happening? What is the effective date and where can I find a link? Thanks
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it is my understanding that TSP only allows proportional withdrawal (traditional and roth) - although as a non LEO i havent really looked at the rules for LEO retirement).
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They have up to 2 years to effect the changes.ATCJAX wrote:Is the proposed change definitely happening? What is the effective date and where can I find a link? Thanks
http://www.fedweek.com/fedweek/tsp-with ... -date-yet/
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Keep an eye on https://www.federalregister.gov/agencie ... ment-board. Any proposed rules should be published here when available.
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Re: Special Retirement & Roth
1) I think going 100% Roth for the next 7-ish years will save money over doing a Traditional to Roth conversion later because of the expected 12% or better RoR.mmmmmbeer wrote:
In this hypothetical scenerio... in 7 years @ 12% RoR, the subjects TSP Account is roughly valued at $930,000 ($718,000 traditional /$212,000 Roth).
At that point you are 50, can retire and elect to draw specificially/only from your traditional tsp balance of $718k.
You allow your Roth balance to grow an additional 9.5 years, unfettered @ (hopefully) 12% a year giving you a nice untaxable balance of $588,000 @ 59.5 years old.
Additionally say @ 50 you want to retire and start drawing $6,000 a month from your traditional balance of $718k. Well if you can maintain that 12% RoR, your balance (even with zero new monies going in and the 6k/month draw) will continue to grow and at 59.5 yo when you can dip into your roth unpenalized, your traditional balance will have grown to $870k.
2) I think that at 59.5 that you should NOT start withdrawing from the RothTSP side but let it grow larger. (And move the RothTSP to a Roth IRA by age 70 to avoid RMDs.) Increases in income should come from the TradTSP side. This might lower your Traditional balance which can lower your forced income tax increases due to RMDs beginning age 70.5.
I think the two biggest advantages of a Roth IRA is no RMDs and the tax free transfer of money to beneficiaries. To me, this means saving the Roth money till after age 70.5 to spend.
If you need a tax reduction vehicle (because of 100% Roth contributions), consider high deductible health plans and max the medical account.
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I like mindofmush's perspective, especially with a high RoR. Also, recent tax changes (3% reduction to 15%, 25% brackets & 4% reduction to 28% bracket) are temporary so putting more into Roth and letting it grow could be more advantageous if the changes revert back around 2025/2026. I doubt they will ever go lower in the future given increase in national debt. Having a good mix of Traditional & Roth gives you more flexibility in retirement to manage your tax burden year to year as needed.
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