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Octjan2
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I Fund

Post by Octjan2 »

As I'm sure many of you also do, I follow the C, S and I in real time on Google Finance. The I fund (iShares MSCI EAFE Index Fund) was down .08% today. However, on TSP it is listed as being up .54%. Does anyone know why the share price of 28.3852, up from 28.2322. Am I following the correct stock index. On TSP Talk, it states this is "likely some kind of fair value adjustment".

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Re: I Fund

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Ya... down like you said. Sure your not looking at yesterday?
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It appears that the I Fund is doing better than EFA. It probably depends on how many shares they have to buy/sell and when they actually buy/sell during the day. EFA is a benchmark, it isn't an exact match to the I fund and the strength of the dollar may impact the current value.

Date EFA vs I Fund
6/14 -0.08% vs +0.54%
6/13 +0.77% vs +0.49%
6/12 -0.38% vs -0.34%
6/09 -0.38% vs -0.08%
6/08 -0.18% vs -0.46%
5 days -.25% vs +0.15%

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evilanne wrote:It appears that the I Fund is doing better than EFA. It probably depends on how many shares they have to buy/sell and when they actually buy/sell during the day. EFA is a benchmark, it isn't an exact match to the I fund and the strength of the dollar may impact the current value.

Date EFA vs I Fund
6/14 -0.08% vs +0.54%
6/13 +0.77% vs +0.49%
6/12 -0.38% vs -0.34%
6/09 -0.38% vs -0.08%
6/08 -0.18% vs -0.46%
5 days -.25% vs +0.15%


Dang... thats not even close. Why do we even look at efa?
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Stopped counting the many threads aout I fund vs. EFA. Simply unreliable.
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I've also been comparing I fund to "VEA" - Vanguard FTSE Developed Markets ETF.
That fund is developed markets excluding US and Canada. Seems to be more closer to I fund moves than "EFA" much of the time. From many discussions about I there is no fund that really matches it. Add VEA to your watchlist along with the EFA and see if that helps with the tracking.
I use seekingalpha.com for tracking my portfolio of other stock investments, and created a separate portfolio to watch the TSP related funds. It's free, and I read some of the postings under the Market Outlook Tab for daily market forecasts and updates of what's going on in markets and sectors I invest in around the world. I've found if I do this before the market opens each day, I can be better prepared for what the changes will most likely be and why the moves in prices are taking place. It helps remove some of the emotional side of investing mistakes if you can know what's probably coming and why. You see others comments that help you analyze if there really is a market concern or buying opportunity coming. There's many other sites that offer similar information, and I'm just suggesting to keep informed daily with at least a world overview of markets. At 63, history (and my past mistakes) have helped me, but history of the past 12 hours while I was sleeping is even more helpful when I know before the markets open each day. Good luck everyone.
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Re: I Fund

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And thank god for that

Hey, does anyone know how the strength of the dollar factors? For instance, does a high dollar and low pound, euro, and yen give a more positive move or negative move?
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So... safe to say pull out of the I fund and stick with C and S for a few weeks then got to F fund for the remainder of the summer?

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zacksedlak wrote:Hey, does anyone know how the strength of the dollar factors?


UUP seems to be a good proxy for dollar strength. When it it positive, EFA is usually down, even when the European markets are up.
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mhende2 wrote:I've also been comparing I fund to "VEA" - Vanguard FTSE Developed Markets ETF.
That fund is developed markets excluding US and Canada. Seems to be more closer to I fund moves than "EFA" much of the time. From many discussions about I there is no fund that really matches it. Add VEA to your watchlist along with the EFA and see if that helps with the tracking.
I use seekingalpha.com for tracking my portfolio of other stock investments, and created a separate portfolio to watch the TSP related funds. It's free, and I read some of the postings under the Market Outlook Tab for daily market forecasts and updates of what's going on in markets and sectors I invest in around the world. I've found if I do this before the market opens each day, I can be better prepared for what the changes will most likely be and why the moves in prices are taking place. It helps remove some of the emotional side of investing mistakes if you can know what's probably coming and why. You see others comments that help you analyze if there really is a market concern or buying opportunity coming. There's many other sites that offer similar information, and I'm just suggesting to keep informed daily with at least a world overview of markets. At 63, history (and my past mistakes) have helped me, but history of the past 12 hours while I was sleeping is even more helpful when I know before the markets open each day. Good luck everyone.


It appears that VEA has done better than EFA since it started in mid 2007. If you exclude the 1st year or 2, the difference is much smaller. Since you have been tracking it in comparison to the I Fund how close has it been? Does there seem to be a lag like the I Fund seems to do with the EFA benchmark?

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12squared wrote:UUP seems to be a good proxy for dollar strength. When it it positive, EFA is usually down, even when the European markets are up.
Is there a way to come up with some type of correlation factor that would help in making better IFTs when including I Fund?

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EFA ex dividend today

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Re: I Fund

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Once again, the MSCI EAFE (ETF) was not an accurate reflection of the TSP I fund. Today this fund was down .02. The TSP I fund was up .18%. In my opinion this makes this fund difficult to track and, therefore, a little scary when doing interfund transfers. Quite simply, there is no way of knowing at 11:59 am how the fund is doing when you are ready to pull the trigger on moving in or out of the fund. The S fund (Dow Jones US Completion) and the C fund (S&P 500) are always accurate according the fund performance. Once the fund is up to a level I am comfortable with I am pulling out of it.

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Re: I Fund

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So you are upset because the was a 2/10ths of 1% difference between EFA & TSP I Fund closing prices?

I agree that there is more variance in the closing price of the I Fund & EFA, but if you look at the C Fund at noon, it was at $2440 it closed $2434.50...0.18% lower (bad if you are selling).. The I Fund was at $65.00 at noon, closing at $64.98=$0.02 or 0.03%; at 11:24 am it was $65.095 or 18% higher than the actual closing price. When you try to time the market with an IFT decision at 12:00, any fund you choose can go up or down by closing time...yes sometimes it sucks when it is opposite of what you expect but that is probably why many people take a longterm view of investing. Retirement accounts & mutual funds aren't designed for frequent trading. The I Fund can be frustrating and many people do avoid it all together. Good Luck!

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As for TSP, I think it’s better for your psyche to not even look at intra-day. The same goes for pre-markets. 95% of the time, by the end of the day they were wrong, and it will just make you mad.
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