Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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WxMan0523
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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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ArrieS wrote:Here's another against argument.

US stocks fall after Trump threatens government shutdown

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/23/us-stocks-trump-government-shutdown.html


Which is also BS because they sit at their intra-day highs (or close to them) and the market is overall mixed with little movement (a good sign showing stabilization of yesterday's 1% bump).

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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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Alrighty folks... today is in the books and that's all she wrote for us here in the old F Fund for Aug 2017. Here are the result's for today and this month so far:

F Fund: 0.44% + 0.21%(today) = 0.65% MTD

S Fund -2.52% - 0.11% (today) = -2.63% MTD

Giving most of the Daily Seasonal strategies:

1.25% MTD

So now... this is it. Either we sink or swim the last six trading days in the ol' S fund. Sure seems primed for a comback to make us a few bucks, but whooo whooo... I'm a little nervous! It's exciting!

Exactly the rubber meeting the road. According to the Airtus's Primer of Seasonal Musings, +0.50% for an Aug F Fund is a "good" return. We're so far way past that, but will we end up beating the F Fund short term B&H? Only time will tell... stay tuned!
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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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mmmmmbeer wrote:Alrighty folks... today is in the books and that's all she wrote for us here in the old F Fund for Aug 2017. Here are the result's for today and this month so far:

F Fund: 0.44% + 0.21%(today) = 0.65% MTD

S Fund -2.52% - 0.11% (today) = -2.63% MTD

Giving most of the Daily Seasonal strategies:

1.25% MTD

So now... this is it. Either we sink or swim the last six trading days in the ol' S fund. Sure seems primed for a comback to make us a few bucks, but whooo whooo... I'm a little nervous! It's exciting!

Exactly the rubber meeting the road. According to the Airtus's Primer of Seasonal Musings, +0.50% for an Aug F Fund is a "good" return. We're so far way past that, but will we end up beating the F Fund short term B&H? Only time will tell... stay tuned!


Don't forget, we got 1 day in August in the I fund...and it was a good one.
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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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Travis1984 wrote:
Don't forget, we got 1 day in August in the I fund...and it was a good one.

Yup it was pretty sweet.. 0.84%? Mmmm.. hrrmmm.
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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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Scarfinger wrote:
ArrieS wrote:Here's another against argument.

US stocks fall after Trump threatens government shutdown

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/23/us-stocks-trump-government-shutdown.html


I saw that. I believe there won't be much action on Trumps words alone considering he seems to go off the cuff and changes his mind a lot.

If tax reform is dead... That will be another story.


I don't know. His opinion polls have plummeted. Historically, every president has come out ahead from a Government shutdown. President Clinton and Obama were able to use the attention to paint their narrative; while Congress always struggled with too many different voices.

President Trump may bet on history that he can use it to look better.
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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

Post by ksmoly04 »

I made the leap yesterday as well.

Having worked on the Hill last year, I'm just constantly amused at how Trump gets blamed for not delivering on agenda items that have to pass both chambers of Congress... especially when ~435 Representatives (+33 or 34 in the Senate) face elections every 2 years. But to get back on-subject:

Early morning market action here in Europe is positive, so that should help the US markets in about 5.5 hours.
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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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Travis1984 wrote:
mmmmmbeer wrote:Alrighty folks... today is in the books and that's all she wrote for us here in the old F Fund for Aug 2017. Here are the result's for today and this month so far:

F Fund: 0.44% + 0.21%(today) = 0.65% MTD

S Fund -2.52% - 0.11% (today) = -2.63% MTD

Giving most of the Daily Seasonal strategies:

1.25% MTD

So now... this is it. Either we sink or swim the last six trading days in the ol' S fund. Sure seems primed for a comback to make us a few bucks, but whooo whooo... I'm a little nervous! It's exciting!

Exactly the rubber meeting the road. According to the Airtus's Primer of Seasonal Musings, +0.50% for an Aug F Fund is a "good" return. We're so far way past that, but will we end up beating the F Fund short term B&H? Only time will tell... stay tuned!


Don't forget, we got 1 day in August in the I fund...and it was a good one.


Which strategy had you in the I fund for Aug 1st the F on the 2nd?

And where is the 1.25, if I look at the F fund from 08/02 -8/23 the F-fund shows .44%+ am I doing something wrong?

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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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Timber82 wrote:
Travis1984 wrote:
mmmmmbeer wrote:Alrighty folks... today is in the books and that's all she wrote for us here in the old F Fund for Aug 2017. Here are the result's for today and this month so far:

F Fund: 0.44% + 0.21%(today) = 0.65% MTD

S Fund -2.52% - 0.11% (today) = -2.63% MTD

Giving most of the Daily Seasonal strategies:

1.25% MTD

So now... this is it. Either we sink or swim the last six trading days in the ol' S fund. Sure seems primed for a comback to make us a few bucks, but whooo whooo... I'm a little nervous! It's exciting!

Exactly the rubber meeting the road. According to the Airtus's Primer of Seasonal Musings, +0.50% for an Aug F Fund is a "good" return. We're so far way past that, but will we end up beating the F Fund short term B&H? Only time will tell... stay tuned!


Don't forget, we got 1 day in August in the I fund...and it was a good one.


Which strategy had you in the I fund for Aug 1st the F on the 2nd?

And where is the 1.25, if I look at the F fund from 08/02 -8/23 the F-fund shows .44%+ am I doing something wrong?


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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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mmmmmbeer wrote:
Timber82 wrote:quote="mmmmmbeer"]

1.25% MTD
quote]

Which strategy had you in the I fund for Aug 1st the F on the 2nd?

And where is the 1.25, if I look at the F fund from 08/02 -8/23 the F-fund shows .44%+ am I doing something wrong?


The daily #7980


Hmm I'm confused now 7980 has F fund Aug1st but someone mentioned you were in I fund for 1 day looking at 7980 it says on the 1st day you are in F so shouldn't the IFT be placed on the last trading day before the start of the next cycle? then it says S fund on the 17th, but it was mentioned in this thread they were going to S on the 23rd.


Looking at the custom date ranges on tspcenters charting tool I get the following %'s, and I am not sure how its adding up to 1.25%
Aug1st-17th FFund - .26%
Aug 17th-23rd S fund -.80%
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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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Timber82 wrote:
mmmmmbeer wrote:
Timber82 wrote:quote="mmmmmbeer"]

1.25% MTD
quote]

Which strategy had you in the I fund for Aug 1st the F on the 2nd?

And where is the 1.25, if I look at the F fund from 08/02 -8/23 the F-fund shows .44%+ am I doing something wrong?


The daily #7980


Hmm I'm confused now 7980 has F fund Aug1st but someone mentioned you were in I fund for 1 day. then it says S fund on the 17th, but it was mentioned in this thread they were going to S on the 23rd.


Looking at the custom date ranges on tspcenters charting tool I get the following %'s, and I am not sure how its adding up to 1.25%
Aug1st-17th FFund - .26%
Aug 17th-23rd S fund -.80%



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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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Ok I am seeing that I misunderstood a lot of this and if its on the "1st" you should be putting the IFT in before 12 on the 1st day of the month.

Now just if someone can clear up why the thread is titled move to S on the 23rd but the strategy has it set on the 17th.

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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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Timber82 wrote:
mmmmmbeer wrote:
Timber82 wrote:quote="mmmmmbeer"]

1.25% MTD
quote]

Which strategy had you in the I fund for Aug 1st the F on the 2nd?

And where is the 1.25, if I look at the F fund from 08/02 -8/23 the F-fund shows .44%+ am I doing something wrong?


The daily #7980


Hmm I'm confused now 7980 has F fund Aug1st but someone mentioned you were in I fund for 1 day looking at 7980 it says on the 1st day you are in F so shouldn't the IFT be placed on the last trading day before the start of the next cycle? then it says S fund on the 17th, but it was mentioned in this thread they were going to S on the 23rd.


Looking at the custom date ranges on tspcenters charting tool I get the following %'s, and I am not sure how its adding up to 1.25%
Aug1st-17th FFund - .26%
Aug 17th-23rd S fund -.80%


It looks like you may be confusing trading days with calendar days. The IFT to the F Fund happened on the first trading day of August, making the first day of August still in the I fund and the F fund effective on the 2nd. The IFT to the S fund happened on the 23rd... the 17th day of trading in August.
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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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Timber82 wrote:
mmmmmbeer wrote:
Timber82 wrote:quote="mmmmmbeer"]

1.25% MTD
quote]

Which strategy had you in the I fund for Aug 1st the F on the 2nd?

And where is the 1.25, if I look at the F fund from 08/02 -8/23 the F-fund shows .44%+ am I doing something wrong?


The daily #7980


Hmm I'm confused now 7980 has F fund Aug1st but someone mentioned you were in I fund for 1 day looking at 7980 it says on the 1st day you are in F so shouldn't the IFT be placed on the last trading day before the start of the next cycle? then it says S fund on the 17th, but it was mentioned in this thread they were going to S on the 23rd.


Looking at the custom date ranges on tspcenters charting tool I get the following %'s, and I am not sure how its adding up to 1.25%
Aug1st-17th FFund - .26%
Aug 17th-23rd S fund -.80%


So on August 1st we did the IFT from I fund to F. So the day of august 1st was an ifund day, with the first day bought into the f august 2 at the open.

The sell was August 23rd for the s fund (17th trading day--not august 17th), with the purchase at close of business last night. So today is the first day in the S.
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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

Post by Octjan2 »

And if you checked the share price for the i fund, it was up about .25 on the 1st of August. There is no question, the daily seasonal strategy has worked in the past. Just look at the F fund (down today .12% as of now) and the S fund (up about .2% today). On a sidenote, representative Paul Ryan said today on CNBC that if they don't get tax reform completed this calendar year, they shouldn't be reelected.

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Re: Daily Seasonal Aug 23 move to S

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Yup.. what these guys said. But I think that top table is sometimes not the easiest to understand. Take a look at the colorful calendars at the bottom of each strategy. I think he put them in there for a good visualization.
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F $18.88 0.11% -1.77%
C $81.80 -0.02% 10.00%
S $80.29 0.05% 4.15%
I $42.83 0.10% 6.58%
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