It's about time

[cswift01]

Dear all,

Another few weeks have passed and I'm reminded of our history after reading more and more negative comments that are somehow streaming into our message board (reflecting U.S. society). I received this from a friend https://foto.limburger.nl/75-jaar-bevri ... er=&datum= and it reminds me of how General Mattis (https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3480 ... respecting), when speaking to the troops, told them that we Americans are too busy yelling over each other instead of listening to each other (if you want examples, just check out all the negative/trolling comments on my profile page). People are too interested in having themselves heard as opposed to working together to a common goal. At the least, there is less and less civil conversation. Sometimes, we need to spend some time looking at the sacrifices that our forefathers bore, as opposed to making ourselves heard because we think by insulting others we can have our "win."

Enjoy the pics. They mean a lot for us and the world.

My best,

Me

[jlozano042]

Those were very interesting pictures cswift01 - thank you for sharing them. I love seeing and engrossing myself into these types of pictures and trying to feel what the people are experiencing at that exact time ... some good .. some bad. It;s impossible for me to know exactly how they felt, but the little that I do try keeps my emotions in check and reminds me of our past - the good and the bad. Speaking of which ... re-watched Saving Private Ryan last night with the family. Your post reminded me of it ..



Anyways ... here's to listening and working for a common goal.

[cswift01]

Those were very interesting pictures cswift01 - thank you for sharing them. I love seeing and engrossing myself into these types of pictures and trying to feel what the people are experiencing at that exact time ... some good .. some bad. It;s impossible for me to know exactly how they felt, but the little that I do try keeps my emotions in check and reminds me of our past - the good and the bad. Speaking of which ... re-watched Saving Private Ryan last night with the family. Your post reminded me of it ..



Anyways ... here's to listening and working for a common goal.

Thanks for the comment. I still remember going to the opening of Saving Private Ryan while visiting family in Iowa. I was so overwhelmed by the veterans that were at the movie that were literally at the beachhead. The raw emotion that many showed as they left the movie was enough to invoke emotion in myself and many others that would not know that fate. I really felt lucky that day and many days since that we don't have to relive that situation anymore.

Great addition, Jlozano. Thanks.

[jlozano042]

Yeah brother - anytime.

I remember the opening of Saving Private Ryan myself, you could feel the emotions in the air from the entire audience. One of the few times I actually got emotional in public, I felt the same thing last night. It's intense.

[Horaenaut]

I appreciate your call to civility and your reminder of the sacrifices that have been made and bind us together as Americans.

I think the TSP discussion gets bitter because while political events and positions certainly affect the markets, discussing those events can be a gateway into some of our deeper political divides and perceived wounds. The only way I know to overcome the animosity is constant reminders that most of what we want on the local scale is strikingly similar, despite our sometimes vicious opposition as to how to achieve them. Good health, safety, liberty of choices, protection from being taken advantage of, prospering communities, an opportunity to be heard and to help, and a way to live out our highest ideals.

I was really expecting a major down day for markets--oil supply attack, GM strike, and Purdue Pharma bankruptcy--but despite the fact that I am positioned for a major correction, I'm not hoping for it. I hope folks are right to be optimistic about the markets. When I write about a possible impending recession it is not an indictment of the president or corporations (even though there are policies I have disagreed with), but an attempt to minimize the financial risks that a I fear are coming. It feels good to be proven right (even when you would rather be wrong) but I hope both bulls and bears, repubs and dems, boomers and millennial, and us american government employee and retiree investors can show some magnanimity in in our discussions.

[tspwizard1]

I hear your point. Unfortunately it is not possible to have a civil conversation with a Trump supporter about anything. They just ignore facts. Chinese are paying the tariffs not US consumers, Mexico will pay for the wall, his constant attack on the environment, biggest tax cut for corporations in history (which lead to record buyback of stocks and a huge increase in the deficit), etc. How can anyone have a conversation or want to have one with someone who supports this level of deceit?

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politic ... over-days/

And yes I know it is the washingston post. So scream fake news... Crazy how intelligent people can be transformed into mindless foot soldiers for a con man.

[Optimus187]

I hear your point. Unfortunately it is not possible to have a civil conversation with a Trump supporter about anything. They just ignore facts. Chinese are paying the tariffs not US consumers, Mexico will pay for the wall, his constant attack on the environment, biggest tax cut for corporations in history (which lead to record buyback of stocks and a huge increase in the deficit), etc. How can anyone have a conversation or want to have one with someone who supports this level of deceit?

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politic ... over-days/

And yes I know it is the washingston post. So scream fake news... Crazy how intelligent people can be transformed into mindless foot soldiers for a con man.

This has to be a parody account

[Optimus187]

I appreciate your call to civility and your reminder of the sacrifices that have been made and bind us together as Americans.

I think the TSP discussion gets bitter because while political events and positions certainly affect the markets, discussing those events can be a gateway into some of our deeper political divides and perceived wounds. The only way I know to overcome the animosity is constant reminders that most of what we want on the local scale is strikingly similar, despite our sometimes vicious opposition as to how to achieve them. Good health, safety, liberty of choices, protection from being taken advantage of, prospering communities, an opportunity to be heard and to help, and a way to live out our highest ideals.

I was really expecting a major down day for markets--oil supply attack, GM strike, and Purdue Pharma bankruptcy--but despite the fact that I am positioned for a major correction, I'm not hoping for it. I hope folks are right to be optimistic about the markets. When I write about a possible impending recession it is not an indictment of the president or corporations (even though there are policies I have disagreed with), but an attempt to minimize the financial risks that a I fear are coming. It feels good to be proven right (even when you would rather be wrong) but I hope both bulls and bears, repubs and dems, boomers and millennial, and us american government employee and retiree investors can show some magnanimity in in our discussions.

Great post

[tspwizard1]

I hear your point. Unfortunately it is not possible to have a civil conversation with a Trump supporter about anything. They just ignore facts. Chinese are paying the tariffs not US consumers, Mexico will pay for the wall, his constant attack on the environment, biggest tax cut for corporations in history (which lead to record buyback of stocks and a huge increase in the deficit), etc. How can anyone have a conversation or want to have one with someone who supports this level of deceit?

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politic ... over-days/

And yes I know it is the washingston post. So scream fake news... Crazy how intelligent people can be transformed into mindless foot soldiers for a con man.

This has to be a parody account

Again, you don't even acknowledge the lies. Today Trump attacked media for saying he'd meet with Iran with no pred-conditions. Which is what he said. You just prove my point. No discussion on his conduct. Cannot even have a civil discussion with Trump supporters. And to the point of the original post. That is sad. However, those of us that want to protect this country, and not let it slip into mindless dictatorship will not mindlessly get in line. Please acknowledge that there is truth, and there is fiction.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/16/politics ... index.html

[SnareMV17]

Is there a difference between a Trump supporter and a America supporter? I don’t like deficits, big or small. I don’t like broken promises, either. Does that mean I want to support everyone that is against Trump? No it does not. Some people are smart enough to know the difference. You just seem to like to tell people they are wrong.

[Optimus187]

I hear your point. Unfortunately it is not possible to have a civil conversation with a Trump supporter about anything. They just ignore facts. Chinese are paying the tariffs not US consumers, Mexico will pay for the wall, his constant attack on the environment, biggest tax cut for corporations in history (which lead to record buyback of stocks and a huge increase in the deficit), etc. How can anyone have a conversation or want to have one with someone who supports this level of deceit?

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politic ... over-days/

And yes I know it is the washingston post. So scream fake news... Crazy how intelligent people can be transformed into mindless foot soldiers for a con man.

This has to be a parody account

Again, you don't even acknowledge the lies. Today Trump attacked media for saying he'd meet with Iran with no pred-conditions. Which is what he said. You just prove my point. No discussion on his conduct. Cannot even have a civil discussion with Trump supporters. And to the point of the original post. That is sad. However, those of us that want to protect this country, and not let it slip into mindless dictatorship will not mindlessly get in line. Please acknowledge that there is truth, and there is fiction.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/16/politics ... index.html

Wow. Do you not see that OP started this thread to ask for civility and you just disregarded that and went off the rails?

I come to this site so my family can have a better future. That’s all. I honestly thought that green would unite everyone regardless of party affiliation, but I see some people can let go of their candidate not winning election.

Whatever you are going through, I hope you find peace.

[tspwizard1]

Wow. Do you not see that OP started this thread to ask for civility and you just disregarded that and went off the rails?

I was just explaining that smart, hard working, decent people that care about how this country will not fall in line, and just not say anything about what is currently going on. Nothing uncivil about that. In fact it is patriotic. When the supreme leader says the sky is orange, believe him or realize it is blue. Up to you.

[bloobs]

I hear your point. Unfortunately it is not possible to have a civil conversation with a Trump supporter about anything. They just ignore facts. Chinese are paying the tariffs not US consumers, Mexico will pay for the wall, his constant attack on the environment, biggest tax cut for corporations in history (which lead to record buyback of stocks and a huge increase in the deficit), etc. How can anyone have a conversation or want to have one with someone who supports this level of deceit?

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politic ... over-days/

And yes I know it is the washingston post. So scream fake news... Crazy how intelligent people can be transformed into mindless foot soldiers for a con man.

This has to be a parody account

I think your response proves his point

[Hoss2112]

Wow. Do you not see that OP started this thread to ask for civility and you just disregarded that and went off the rails?

I was just explaining that smart, hard working, decent people that care about how this country will not fall in line, and just not say anything about what is currently going on. Nothing uncivil about that. In fact it is patriotic. When the supreme leader says the sky is orange, believe him or realize it is blue. Up to you.

No, you were NOT "just explaining that smart, hard working, decent people that care about how this country will not fall in line, and just not say anything about what is currently going on." You are up to your usual shenanigans by hijacking a topic and turning it into your personal vendetta against Trump.

[Optimus187]

I hear your point. Unfortunately it is not possible to have a civil conversation with a Trump supporter about anything. They just ignore facts. Chinese are paying the tariffs not US consumers, Mexico will pay for the wall, his constant attack on the environment, biggest tax cut for corporations in history (which lead to record buyback of stocks and a huge increase in the deficit), etc. How can anyone have a conversation or want to have one with someone who supports this level of deceit?

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politic ... over-days/

And yes I know it is the washingston post. So scream fake news... Crazy how intelligent people can be transformed into mindless foot soldiers for a con man.

This has to be a parody account

I think your response proves his point

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You guys are a riot. Have a great day an d God bless. Thanks for trying OP